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Old 09-15-2015, 02:30 PM   #141
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According to the autoblog article, the photographer stated it does appear to have a cts-v type heat extractor on the hood that does not show through in the pics.
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Old 09-15-2015, 02:32 PM   #142
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From the side front end shots you can just make out the opening in the hood. They may be working on two models side by side, but this car certainly has the extractor in the hood. I would tend to believe this is a ZL1. The comments were made previously that the Z/28 deserves a N/A small cube motor by Al O. I doubt that motor would be to a point in development that would require being in a "different" 6 gen when it could easily fit into a standard body mule to test at this point. If I am not mistaken, this type of camo is more for testing the car as a whole over drivetrain development. Drivetrain development is usually done under the black matting or in a "standard" body with changes that aren't visible residing underneath.
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Old 09-15-2015, 02:37 PM   #143
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I am also thinking GM will stick with one performance camaro which will be either named ZL1 or the z28 more likely the ZL1 like they did with the ZR1 and Z06. This car will probably be the supercharged version also beefed for the track like the Z06.
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Old 09-15-2015, 02:38 PM   #144
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No one else noticed the flowtie? I'd agree it's another track Z28
The Flowtie became so popular that GM is adding them to any HP camaro. IMO
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Old 09-15-2015, 02:40 PM   #145
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I just can't imagine at all, why in the word they would stamp any kind of performance data on the side of the car. Maybe they did, but is seems almost silly to me to speculate what kind of performance numbers it could mean. (still fun to speculate though lol)

My opinion....I can't see GM producing a hi-po LT1 variant making 500+ HP solely for the Camaro. It would have to go in other vehicles as well...otherwise the cost is going to be huge.

So that's why I think this car is likely the next Z/28, with an LT4 engine. Z/28 will soak up the ZL1, just like Z06 has soaked up ZR1.


I don't see how a modified LT1 in the Z/28 would be any more expensive than the 5.2 Voodoo. It should be substantially cheaper. They would only need new heads, cam, intake and maybe exhaust. The 5.2 Voodoo is an entirely new engine and yet the GT350 still starts in the $50s.
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Old 09-15-2015, 02:43 PM   #146
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All I know is:

1) That car looks way more track ready than the current ZL1, and

2) If it has the LT4 in it then there will be some Europeans going back to the drawing board.
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Old 09-15-2015, 02:45 PM   #147
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According to the autoblog article, the photographer stated it does appear to have a cts-v type heat extractor on the hood that does not show through in the pics.
I wish the guy would have mentioned if it had a supercharger whine or not.
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Old 09-15-2015, 02:45 PM   #148
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Team Camaro has no need to show their hand at a ZL1 replacement at this time until Ford debuts the next GT500 replacement but they do know the benchmark that is the just released GT350R and what it is capable of.

545 hp naturally aspirated LT whatever for the next Z/28 for the win.
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Old 09-15-2015, 02:46 PM   #149
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No one else noticed the flowtie? I'd agree it's another track Z28
A lot of us noticed... I still think my breakdown is very accurate
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Old 09-15-2015, 02:52 PM   #150
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If the 2014 z28 beats the gt350 already. The unofficial time is faster than that of the gt350's "official" time...
Wait, what? The GT350 is supposedly in line with a C7 Z51 and a GT350R is a bit fast than a 5th gen. Z/28. I full anticipate a GT350R to hand the Z/28 its ass too.
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Old 09-15-2015, 02:55 PM   #151
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This car has a smaller hood extractor than what I would think is needed for forced induction heat induced cooling requirements plus downforce and you can see its smaller than the CTS-V heat extractor and its overall placement is different.
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Old 09-15-2015, 03:01 PM   #152
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Just my two cents, they aren't telling us anything we don't know:

PWR < 6.46 ...... this is almost exactly the PWR of the CTS-V so if it has the LT4 we could have all probably guessed that the PWR would be lower than the CTS-V
0-100 <4 100 km/hr is about 62 so any hipo camaro will be less than 4 since the SS will do it in 4 seconds
LG>1 Assuming this is lateral grip again the SS is about 0.97 so no shocker that the hipo would be at or above 1

I can pretty much guarantee that they won't be using a previous gen engine in the car. Right now the only engines available are the turbo 6 in the ATS-V (you would need a curb weight of about 3000lbs to achieve that power to weight ratio) and the LT4. They could have another engine in the works ( a replacement for the LSA). But right now the only car that would have it would be the Camaro. I think they just stick the LT4 in the Camaro and the PWR is much lower.

The more interesting question to me is whether they have a seperate Z/28 and ZL-1. So far there is no ZR-1 for this generation of Corvette (although I will be surprised if there is no LT-5/ZR-1 combo in the works). If the Corvette team really did combine the Z06 and ZR-1 into one car, I could see the Camaro team following suit with the ZL-1_Z/28.
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Old 09-15-2015, 03:03 PM   #153
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Apparently the new z28 doesn't need more power or weight loss... If the 2014 z28 beats the gt350 already. The unofficial time is faster than that of the gt350's "official" time... But, to drop the weight even more and bump the power... Wouldn't hurt, and it just gaps the competition even more...

Where did you find the official times for the GT350???
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Old 09-15-2015, 03:07 PM   #154
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I understand GM has different goals to meet but reducing power makes no sense.
Again, of course it does if there target is lower than a current engine option.

It doesn't make sense to me!! I want a Zl1 to yield 750hp++ and crush everything!

But I/we don't have that kind of sway.
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